If You Are not Qatari, then you will be more appreciated – updated

April 19, 2010 at 10:07 pm (1, Opinion, Qatari culture, work)

– updated version please read again –

I am furious, mad, angry and feel so much hate. Things are seriously wrong and there is nothing I can do about it but to write this. What is going on in Qatar! A lot of injustice, a lot of theft. And no one is saying anything.

May is a fresh pharmacist, she worked for a year in Egypt and came back to Qatar, the land she was born and raised in to work because her whole family is here. She was shocked to know that all medical interns must work for 3 years as interns without being paid! She said this goes for all interns except those with blue eyes and blond hair. She works every day from 7 to 2, and then she goes to her other job to work as a sales woman in a pharmacy and only gets paid 1000 QR per month. The law says she is not allowed to work with a title and get paid as a pharmacist until she finishes those 3 years.

Sara is a Qatari doctor who is married to Saudi. She is a consultant now living in Qatar, however, because her daughter has a Saudi passport, she must pay for her daughter’s education in Qatar. On the other hand, her blue eyed blond colleague, who has less years of experience and is a specialist ( lower than consultant ), and is paid 25,000 QR more than her, and all her four children are paid for to study in Qatar Academy ( One of the most expensive schools in Doha ), since she carries an American passport.

Maha is of another Arab origin who was born and lives in Qatar. She was fired from her work at HSBC because of Qatarization, and it took her 8 months to find a job. By luck, she got employed as a trainee in one of the banks. She works two shifts, from 8 to 1 and from 5 to 8:30 and is only paid 1000 QR per month.

A Philipina Pharmacist who lives in Jordan because she is married to a Jordanian is paid 30,000 QR per month only to give a 2 hour lecture to Cornell medical students twice a month. All expenses of hotel, tickets …etc included. While my friend, a Qatari doctor is asked to give the same kind of talk for free.

My friend is a Qatari designer, she was considering a job at the new museum. They told her that they will only pay her 11,000 QR because she is Qatari and the law says this is what Qatari should be paid at this organization. While her blue eyed friend is of course being paid more than double, with the same qualifications and the same job.

Another friend is working in one of the financial organizations and her non Qatari manager refuses to send her to any training course while her blue eyed friends are being sent to training courses all over the world.

Do I have to have blue eyes and blond hair to be paid and appreciated here, or shall I work with a European or American passport to be treated equally. Why are Europeans being paid so much more than Qataris, not to mention all the benefits of having free houses, cares, phones, insurance, plane tickets …etc. No Qatari gets all of this when they start working, these benefits are only given to the highest of the highest officials and to a handful of Qataris. But for Anglo-Saxons it’s for granted. Don’t give me that silly argument that they are being paid so much more because we brought them from their home land and we must compensate them for this. Why don’t we compensate cheap labour then since they slave all day for nothing!

Is the law that Foreigners should not be paid more than Qataris is nothing but a load of crap!

I am so glad about what happened in QFC when the HR manager discovered that they were using the company’s money to pay for alcohol in parties and many deals with foreign companies that have not fulfilled their contracts and that all of this was being covered by their foreigner friends in Qatar, I am glad that all those thieves were fired.

I actually heard a CO of a foreign company that was brought to Qatar to do some development projects saying, right in front of me ‘We don’t care about the education or the quality of our work in Qatar. We are here for the money and we will try to get as much as we can before they discover that we are taking advantage of their laid back life style’.

I think it’s only a handful of foreigners who really care about this country and truly believe in developing it. I can write about this forever, and give you endless examples of injustice. But what is the point!

I feel like giving up. What is the point of trying to do anything since I will not be appreciated as much as Europeans or Americans. At work I am treated like a table, an object without a soul. They wont give me anything to do, and at the same time they wont let me go because of that stupid contract I have with them. All my potentials are being killed! It’s just such a frustrating situation. I can do so much and give so much but I am not given the opportunity. I have to fight so hard just to give back to my country! how silly is that! why wouldn’t you give me the same opportunity you give to foreigners?

You might think I am exaggerating or making all of this up. What I wrote is not my fiction, it has been proven by a study that has been made by Hay Group Consultancy and was published in the Economist Sep Issue 2008. ‘study compares managers’ disposable income in 51 countries, by calculating average salaries adjusted for taxes and living expenses. On that basis, managers in Qatar … have twice the spending power of their counterparts in America’. The claim is that there is a high shortage of talented Qataris and that’s why we pay very high for talented thieves!

I want to point out that what I write about is not prejudice or racism, this is the normal right, and expected right of every national in this country. If I apply for a job in America or EU, the nationals have priority, then regionals, then any other expat. However, in Qatar, if you have Qatari with a high qualification, first they will choose a foreigner, then an Arab because he is paid less then a Qatari. They look for non skilled Qatari on purpose because they don’t want them to develop, they are just there to fulfill the quota of Qatarization. This is why it has been easier for high school graduates to find jobs than university graduates.

My friend Maha tells me about the Qatari girls who are employed at the Bank, none of them has a university degree. What does that tell you about Qatarization. While I have another friend who has MBA speaks 5 languages, and he was told ‘you are too qualified for our organization’ at the same time, his expat colleagues were given the post with less qualification and higher financial pay.

This does not only cover the working sector in Qatar. but even in the educational one, where we have spent gazillions of dollars in buildings and the making of education city, several universities from the US, Qataris are given second class treatment. Since the number of Qatari students and faculty and employees does not go beyond 12%. The funny thing is that some students were rejected after they have applied to QF institutions! Who are they to reject a Qatari who wants to study! Even the educational sector is biased towards expats because it is managed by expats. The only Qataris who are happy about their position in QF are the board members. While the young people of Qatar are being rejected, the door to study at their country is shut, as well as the door to study abroad with all the difficult new laws for scholarships.

There is so much more to write about this … I will keep updating this post



  1. Qtryah said,

    I always read your posts, and whenever I want to comment, I’d say to myself LATER! Obviously there is never a later if it’s not done at the instance, and when I read this post I just HAD to comment now before I think to myself later and end up never doing it.

    Every single story you wrote in this post are seniors that happen on our daily bases! I’ve been working for awhile now in different international industries with a majority of expats of course, and I see how they treat Qataris in these industries, as though it’s their country, and their money.

    I go to work everyday and look around me and all I see are “blue eyes”, “blonde hair”, and if not then the Euro/USA/AUSS/NZ passport which apparently is much stronger than the Qatari one in my OWN country now-a-days. All of those expats live in the most prestigious places in Qatar that not even a Qatari can offered because of the high rental/sell cost of flats and houses. Most of them live at the Pearl, Zigzag Towers, W Hotel, Four Seasons Towers, West Bay etc. Oh and of course when we have guests’ visiting from abroad they all stay at 5-star hotels, Four Seasons or the W hotel. And when a Qatari comes and asks for a raise or a job group boost, or even as simple as a training course their reply is “financial crises, we can’t offered spending that much money.”

    They always complain that Qataris are rich, you have no idea how many times I sat in a meeting when a westerner would say “oh she’s Qatari she can offered everything… oh she’s Qatari she has so much money… oh she’s Qatari she get’s paid more than us, she has social allowance!” they actually think our social allowances are so big like 30,000, and didn’t place in mind that they the westerners in Doha live in the most luxurious expensive places, have the highest salaries, get cars, free schooling, free cell phone with a paid phone bill, food allowance, and companies here even pay regional fee because the expat choose to move to Qatar! Imagine, it’s like thanks for coming to Qatar he’s 15,000 extra on top of your 50,000 QR salary! I worked in HR, and I saw that I was shocked! Expats should be fortunate enough to find a job with the financial crisis not only do they get a job, a great place to live but money for choosing to work here! Wouldn’t it be great to be an expat working in Qatar?

    Since I worked, not once was I able to go on any course, training, or workshop outside of Qatar reasons are we can’t offer to do so. Ironically enough since I came into the working field, at least once a week an expat is in a course, and not GCC courses (because apparently our second choice is a course in the GCC, which I still didn’t go to any) but courses in Europe and Asia. You know what’s so weird is that all the courses in Qatar, has ONLY Qataris because all the expats are sent to real courses.

    Oh and Qatarization! That’s just a word that is thrown around, none of the managers in those companies want to recruit Qataris, I’ve heard them whine and complain about it in more than one meeting. As for firing Arabs for Qataris, I saw incidences like those, but I could swear more than once, when the Arab was fired, a western expat was put on his/her place. Even though the law says, first Qatari, second Qatari mother, third GCC, forth residence then expat. It’s exactly the opposite. Its expats and only expats in this country when it comes to work.
    You know what’s funny is that when I asked why do we not hire Qataris there excuses are as the following:
    1. Not potential enough- so all those who graduated from these prestigious universities are not smart enough to work, but smart enough to go into university and graduate?
    Example: A line manager told a friend of mine on the 2nd week of her working that it doesn’t mean that she’s a graduate she’s potential enough to work.
    2. Non-English speakers- Sorry I’m an Arab and Qatari, who is using my mother tongue language in my country, didn’t realize English was more important now-a-days.
    3. Junior jobs such as Assistant, Public Relation officer jobs- should be Qataris but we can’t find any Qataris for those jobs. So let me get it either Qataris are not smart to work, or too smart to work on junior jobs choose one because we are getting confused?
    4. Request for high salaries: so it’s ok for expats to be paid with a high salary but not a Qatari?
    There are so many job positions that are open in those companies, and I see with my own eyes, and hear with my own ears, managers directly saying I don’t WANT a Qatari for this position, especially if it’s a managerial position. Please explain to me why?
    All those companies have problems with the labor department, at least 70% of their employees do not have work permits in Qatar, therefore working illegally, and reasons for that is because they do not bring their CID clearness or graduation certificate from there hometown. Ever wondered why? Reasons are, because most of them are university drop-outs with issues in their own countries. So we can conclude that we actually bring what is not wanted in their hometown and we welcome them to our country. That takes me back to the concept of, if we were a western expat with a high school degree we can work and be a manager, but if we were Qataris or even an Arabs with a high school degree, no one will look over my CV not even twice, because we’re not a graduate from university?
    I don’t understand, my country has spent so much money on our university education, and it promotes having the best education in the world! Not only that Qatar gives you the freedom of speech, the opportunity to prove yourself, until you start working and then you realize that you’re not welcome in all these companies in Qatar. It sadness me, I believe Qataris and Arabs who have loyalty to Qatar have so much energy, and excitement to give back to the country who on it’s soil we were raised and brought up to be who we are today. However, all those dreams vanishes as soon as we entre these western dominated industries, and as you said mimiz the worse part is that all they want is our money, and to take advantage of this luxurious life.

    Sorry that was supposed to be a short respond but I got too into it :$.

    • nabaa said,

      Why Are You Saying That. ?

      As A qatari you are the highest paid people in the world. You can get your education up to Ph’D for free and get paid in your studying period.

      Yes Qatar prefer western Experience but not as Qatari ones (if they got educated) you will get higher salary of western if you have the same experience

  2. mimizwords said,

    Qtryah .. I couldnt thank you enough for this amazing reply .. you said what I couldnt say and I really appreciate you writing all of this and please feel free to write more .. we should all stand up together and fight those thieves. We should also make sure that our leaders know how much we are suffering from this, how much injustice is happening to people.
    This is just the beginning ..

  3. Rasha said,

    Well, I came on here to read the post and throw in a large comment! But after reading the post and the comment I really have nothing much more to say. My usual answer and feelings towards this issue is a three word letter, sad. Indeed it’s very sad, what more can one say.

    “It sadness me, I believe Qataris and Arabs who have loyalty to Qatar have so much energy, and excitement to give back to the country who on it’s soil we were raised and brought up to be who we are today. [..]” <<< sums it all up.

    It's frustrating to work while feeling under-compensated and to work without a sense of security. Motivation and ambition killers have been created. I guess now we are in the human testing phase.

    Hope things will magically get fixed and some sense would spread back into people's minds.

  4. Aafke-Art said,

    It’s a horrible and frustrating situation. And a waste of potential. It must be maddening!

    Now I have no proof, but the stories I hear here in Europe is that it isn’t even the best people that go and work in the middle east, but that quite a lot of those westerners are not able to land a good job over here!
    And then I have a friend too who when he applies for a job (and he is amazingly skilled and fantastic expertise) they won’t give him the payment he asks because as soon as they find out he is Arab he’s out!

    That being said… I have blonde hair and blue eyes… You think I could get a job in Qatar? teaching art or riding?

  5. Corinne said,

    I’d like to make a few comments for the opposing side, if I may. While I don’t have blond hair or blue eyes, I am clearly an ex-pat studying at Education City, with a bit of a different perspective.

    Re: “Qatarization”
    It is funny that you toss around this word like it is a bad thing, whereas the non-Qatari’s here in Education City also see it as a bad thing! A friend at Texas A&M told me that the only seniors who had jobs when they graduate (in two weeks) are the Qatari ones. This could be an exaggeration (the person that told me is Arab, but not Qatari, so has their own biases). At a career fair, many of the employers would only talk to Qatari students, so much so that a Qatari girl mentioned that another student wore an abaya for the day to “look Qatari.”

    Re: Qataris at Education City
    I believe that letting a Qatari in to a university simply because they are Qatari over an equally (or better) qualified non-Qatari is in no one’s interest. The universities would lose their rigorous reputation, the students would get a sub-par education, and the international acknowledgement of Qatar’s forward thinking would be at stake. You are suggesting a “Qatarization” of education as well! There are plenty of Qatari students without enforcing a quota.

    I don’t doubt that your points are valid, especially regarding employers hiring ex-pats, but I don’t think there is a good solution in what you are saying.

    • Qtryah said,

      I know this isn’t my page, and I don’t have the right to comment on everyone’s comment, but this subject is so dear to my heart, that’s why I feel that I have to speak out in passion when I need to.
      Corinne- true because of Qatarization Education City students are recruited on the SPOT! I don’t deny it all, but the sad thing is we are recruited as Qataris and not because we are smart or educated. And trust me speaking of experience and from what I have seen around me, all those educated, intellectual Qataris are placed in the offices, and do absolutely nothing, not because they don’t want to work, but because their line mangers, team members, and people around them don’t give us tasks or anything to do. Instead we are placed as a HEADCOUNT, a Qatari headcount to fulfil Qatarization. If the reason why I was employed is because of Qatarization, then that’s not the right reason. And like you I have many western friends, and Arab friends who studied in Education city and saw that they wouldn’t be recruited because of Qatarization; and that too saddens me. However, either way Qatarization has affected most people negatively than positively. Remember we were recruited but treated as table as mimiz described it, and it’s not a nice feeling. As for the career fair I took part of all three years of the career fair, and saw the whole “we recruit Qataris only” guess what dear Corinne in all the international companies I worked in, and from all the people I know in Qatar NO ONE was recruited from the career fair! They just take their CVs put them in a folder and close them off, and write in the newspaper that this international company participated in the career fair and received X amount of Qatari cvs! WOOOW cause all the Qataris want to work for our international company, who will not contact them or recruit them, but gave Qatar and the Government evidence that they took part of something to give back to the society.
      Education City – most Qataris who went into education city are extremely bright, I am sure one or two got accepted because of their family name or because of being Qatari. But that happens all around the world. High league universities around the USA would give priority to students who have had a family member who graduated from that university. In addition, some universities are funded, so those whose parents funded the university get first priority or a star next to their names. Therefore, such an act is done everywhere. True we should diversify education, but that doesn’t mean your graduating class should have 10 Qataris and 70 none. Especially since a lot of Qataris dream is to graduate from Education City, and in the same time some would rather be educated in Qatar, and stay with their families then go abroad, which makes sense because it is their home. Meanwhile, western expats and others can have the opportunity to study else where, and most of them choose to study here because of QF financial help. Furthermore, I again saw with my own eyes incidences when Qatari ideas where rejected and not funded, while western ideas and projects were. I thought we were supposed to motivate the new generation in Doha, not to help the expats.
      Sorry don’t want to be racist, but most expats will end up going back to their home country eventually even if they ended living her for 30 years they will one day. But us Qataris, this is where our homes are, families, the place we were born and raised. The country that our ancestors have built, the country that our grandparents and great grandparents loved and committed to build as a country before the wealth of the oil and gas came into town. The oil and gas that without it no one but the Qataris would have wanted to live here or even come to Qatar for work. I just hope that people understand what we are trying to say and the message we are trying to spread with this post.

      • anonymous said,

        “True we should diversify education, but that doesn’t mean your graduating class should have 10 Qataris and 70 none.”

        If only 10 Qataris are able to succeed in the academic program, then that is precisely what should happen.

      • mimizwords said,

        9a7 elanich wallah .. and this is your post as much as its mine .. ridy 3ala elli tabeen o ma 3aleech minhom

  6. Stretch said,

    First let me say I love reading your blog posts and am encouraged by your honesty, openness and passion.

    “I am furious, mad, angry and feel so much hate. Things are seriously wrong and there is nothing I can do about it but to write this. What is going on in Qatar! A lot of injustice, a lot of theft. And no one is saying anything.”

    No one says anything here, for fear of reprisal. Perhaps you can be more open in what you have to say as this is your country, but don’t for a moment think that ‘the rest of us” can say alot of what we think without fear of being kicked out of the country, loss of job, etc.

    A lot of injustices? You’ve talked about it before….. just imagine the injustices that are imposed on all those here daily, that feel they have no rights, no voice, no passports. Perhaps the higher up ‘western expats’ have a few more rights than the laborers brought in, or all the service providers working in shops, restaurants, etc. but in the end Qatari’s can do or say what they want and non-Qatari’s either take it – or we leave.

    I’m sorry you feel you have reverse-discrimination going on here. I’m sure you and your colleages are quite correct in what has happened to you or others. And it is an injustice. Not all employers work in such a manner as the examples you provide and if they are…..then everyone here, both Qatari and non-Qatari needs to work to change that. I personally have worked alongside Qatari’s who were paid equally for their work, were provided good work environments, were challenged, utilized, trained and rewarded for their efforts. They were also provided opportunities for growth and development.

    We have lived here over 10 years and not once has my husband been allowed to go on a conference, training or anything of that nature as he’s been told and understands, somewhat, that he is here to do a job – not get trained. Training goes primarily to the Qatari’s. So, it works both ways.

    My advice to you is work to change the system and/or keeping looking for a job where you will be farily treated and recognized for your efforts! Heck, I’ve been working for over 30 years now and it’s still a struggle …..

  7. Aisha said,

    Meriam, I cannot thank you enough for writing this post. I have a lot to say but will summarize them in one point. This is definitely not the strategy our leaders had in mind. The only reason I can think of for seeing such actions in reality is because these types of expats want to work with their friends and like-minded people for a very simple fact: The majority locals will never tolerate or take part in their unethical behavior, and by unethical I mean bribery, money washing, embezzlement, etc… Yes, we love our country more than a few bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. Nigel Gourlay said,

    To paraphrase: “I’m not being racist, but these foreigners are stealing our jobs.”

    You need to reduce your expectations, get yourself a plane ticket, and sell your skills on the international market. If there are no low-paid jobs for you in Doha, maybe there is one that’s suitable in Eastern Europe or North Africa.

    I left university during a recession, and I was able to get a first foot on the career ladder by applying for low-paid jobs in a city where jobs were available. It took three years of hard working before I was earning enough money to pay my bills.

    Whingeing about top jobs going to highly qualified and experienced expats who have taken the decision to travel the world to find work will only lead to the suspicion that you want your life presented to you on a plate.

    As Norman Tebbitt once told the unemployed of Britain: get on your bike, and go where the jobs are.

    • mimizwords said,

      I dont want to leave my country to work, this is my country and I have the right to stay here and work here. Everyone is welcome to work in Qatar, but treat us according to our merit, not our race! I did not expect anything but to work when I first started working. But wouldnt you feel mad knowing that your colleague expat is given more serious work to do and more money even though you both have the same qualifications? I am not whining about top jobs, I didnt say I want to be a manager as soon as I am employed! all I am saying is that I want to be treated equally as long as I am as qualified. and I dont think this is too much to ask

      and just to let you know, I have taken two low paid jobs while studying in London to support myself. I didnt whine and say ‘ hey look at my qualifications, you better give me a managerial position’ !

    • Kbaisi said,

      @ Nigel:

      I was with you up to “highly qualified and experienced expats”, I don’t know you or your qualifications/experience, that being said, the issue at hand here is not jobs being ‘stolen’, but rather are the expats who hold these managerial positions even qualified for the job and entitled to the high salaries that they are earning.

      Does it seem rational to you for a citizen of a nation which experienced economic growth DURING a recession to leave their country to look elsewhere for employment? Furthermore,familial and language barriers aside, have you even considered the difficulties a Qatari citizen would face trying to secure a work permit to work abroad in most nations?

      It took me over a month and a half just to get a student visa, a student visa that would enable me to study at a decent university, one that charges international students more than double what EU citizens are charged. Yet still the locals complain of the tuition fees at my school, what do you think their reaction would be if their only option for a quality education was to go abroad and pay more than double what they are currently paying? I know several Qataris who were refused scholarships who got into some of the top schools abroad, yet in Qatar they are given ridiculous reasons as to why they aren’t eligible for sponsorship/acceptance.

      This takes me back to my original point about just how “qualified and experienced” a lot of these expats really are? That question can be answered by observing the treatment of these talented locals, where no distinction is made between them and those who have ‘wasta’ but aren’t particularly qualified for certain jobs/sponsorships and so on. A lot of the time the people who are making these foolish decisions are also responsible for hiring foreign expertise to help develop the country, and to expect them to make fair assessments on suitability for certain jobs is just unrealistic.

      That is why within most departments in Doha you will find just as many foreign crooks working along other foreign experts who deserve their positions, and the reason this is is because of the Qatari crooks who aren’t doing their jobs properly.

      So to the Qataris in here who are fed up with this situation, realize that it is the Qataris who are responsible for this situation, if you invite a thief into your house you better expect some of your possessions to end up missing. There is a difference between being a professional and being a common crook who abuses their position because they know they will not be accountable to anyone.

      • I love Qatar! said,

        I guess Qataris lost the right to work in their country and now everyone expect us to leave. So everyone is arguing expats are being paid more since they are more skilled and have higher qualification. and what you are asking mimiz and the rest of us skilled Qataris to go to your country and be paid less than what you are being paid here. You really don’t want the presence of any skilled Qataris in Qatar. oh, now I get it. that’s just the perfect scenario for all FAKE skilled expats.

        BTW : NOT ALL SKILLED AND EXPERIENCED EXPATS ARE EFFECIENT. But the problem they are being paid and compensated and installed in positions where MANY SKILLED AND EXPERIENCED QATARIS would like to be to contribue to the REAL development of their own country. BUT SINCE EXPATS are in control why would they hire skilled Qataris, they should just send them to enslave in europe!

  9. M said,

    The perils of living in a society that is not a meritocracy are many – for everyone involved. What the inequities on both sides (read below) do is breed suspicion and distrust between people who may otherwise get along and actually enjoy working together. Fueling the gap with rumors and emotions at specific people rather than the system itself only makes sure that in the future we always speak in ‘us’ and ‘them’.I

    Reading this post and the comments reminds me how tired I am of defending “locals” to expats and “expats” to locals. I’m tired of a system that doesn’t let people just get on with their lives and work because that’s what they want to do. Most of all, I’m tried of being judged by my speech, my dress, my accent, my passport, by everyone. Why can’t we all just live?

    While the complaints outlined are legitimate, let’s not forget there are two sides to every story. Should I share stories of the Qatari employee who has been absent from work for over a month because of her third plastic surgery procedure and the sister who SMSed in to her boss, asking if this also needed a doctor’s note?

    To present the flip side of the example of your friend at the museum, there is Qatari person, who is being hired at only 7,000 QR less monthly salary than a director at the same organization. The director has 10 years of experience and a PhD. The Qatari employee has one year’s work experience and a Bachelor of Arts and being hired on a junior level in order to be trained. Is that fair?

    Another expat has been repeatedly asked to prepare presentation materials for high level meetings and then delete her name from them in order that a Qatari in her office would be allowed to present them as their own. This has happened so many times it is now a way of doing business at this company.

  10. suckerpunch86 said,

    This always was/is/will be a very heated topic.

    Yes, I agree that the nationals do get preference at most places for jobs. I can give you some examples, especially from Carnegie Mellon. Currently, many non-Qataris are still without jobs. At a time when the worst of the economic crisis is behind us and there should be an uptake as this country was well-shielded from the effects, it seems that this is going against Qatar Foundation’s goals of retaining as much of the talent to contribute to the economy.

    When you have the government’s mandate for Qatarization and going against another entity, it’s like trying to force oil and water to mix but we know that they can’t.

    Regarding the universities, the truth is that each college does have a quota to meet. Texas A&M seems to have the largest, followed by the Indian Sub-continental then closely by other Arabs. You can’t deny the reality that even the colleges do have to meet their end of the bargain as all their financial responsibility is not borne by them but by QF.

    I for one have not even received any opportunity to intern anywhere in the industry besides the usual on-campus jobs – most companies have isolated it to Qataris only (ictQatar mentions it on their website). Summers have passed by that I relegated to learning other things.

    I can see that there are still two sides of the argument, but even the people who hire still discriminate against non-Qataris as they have reserved positions for them. I’d say that even non-Qataris like Indians do not enjoy the same benefits as they are looked down upon as 3rd class citizens that have cheap labor yet foreign companies do set up shop in India and take advantage of the costs.

    • I love Qatar! said,

      are you blue eye expat or arab expat. here rests your answer! even better take a good look at urself in the mirror, you will find what you seek! the level of favorism is even apparent from the high postion qataris who were installed there because of WAS’TAH ( a form of local networking based on tribal links or favorism over qualification ), they are against seeing skilled Qataris progress in their careers since their diffencies ( the under qualified managers ) would show.

  11. anonymous said,

    “The funny thing is that some students were rejected after they have applied to QF institutions! Who are they to reject a Qatari who wants to study! Even the educational sector is biased towards expats because it is managed by expats.”

    Ed City universities are “biased” towards students with good grades and high test scores who are likely to be able to survive an extremely rigorous academic program. Are you seriously suggesting that Qataris shouldn’t have to meet our minimum criteria as long as they “want to study”? This policy would have two possible outcomes: (1) large numbers of Qatari students would flunk out because they weren’t prepared, or (2) the universities would graduate them even though they hadn’t met the requirements. Is that really what you want?

    In reality, Qataris get PREFERENTIAL treatment in admissions in QF institutions. If there are more Indian students (for example) than Qatari students who get accepted, you should blame your own high school system, not western universities.

    • mimizwords said,

      Obviously, I was talking about Qataris who meet the criteria. Those who don’t simply don’t deserve to get it! … if what you are saying is true, then how come some of my cousins and friends, 5 people I know, didnt get in even though they are A students? maybe the university is too crowded?

      • anonymous said,

        What, do you think every A student in the US gets into TAMU or CMU? It takes a lot more than As to get into these universities. In Ithaca, the average admitted Cornell student has a 3.94 GPA and a 2241 on the SAT. You say Ed City admissions is unfair, and you’re right: we don’t hold Qataris to anything even CLOSE to the standard we hold Americans to. So don’t tell me you’re being discriminated against!!

    • Kbaisi said,

      @ anonymous

      I am Qatari and agree entirely. Some might disagree with me, but in my opinion those institutions have ‘cheapened’ the status of the degrees they award because of their willingness to open up here and take in students who would not even come anywhere near the admission requirements in the US. Perhaps the same quality of instructors in the US teach over here, however the quality of the student body do play a large role in the whole education experience in my opinion. Educational reforms should go beyond simply ‘buying’ foreign universities…

  12. Marjorie said,

    I agree with you that paying people different amounts based on their national origin is unethical. However, I’d find your position more convincing if you were willing also to argue that the Qatari security guards in my building shouldn’t make six times more than the Filipino ones, instead of only complaining when your ethnicity is the one at a disadvantage. :-p

  13. UmmON said,

    one of the commentators was right on the money. it’s the lack of meritocracy.
    if you are a country that HAS to depend on expat labour, you need to get a few things right.
    1. Treat everyone with respect. There HAS to be dignity of labour.
    2. Ensure that the nationals are educated and trained well. that doesn’t mean ensuring seats at university level. it means getting primary education right. it means making sure they do not feel they have a right to endowment.
    3. Entrance to university has to be on merit. If there are 2 students who are equally meritorious, one a national and another not, yes, give priority to the national. but if the expat is way ahead, why penalise him/her?
    4. Nan maids from campus. Being competitive is about attitude. And getting your maid to carry your bags and laptop to and from the car is not great attitude.
    5. And yes, a lot of the blue-eyed/blond-hair folks seem to think it’s their birthright to have it better than the rest. But who is to be blamed more? the ones who seek preferential treatment or the ones eager to give in?
    6. When CMU was setting up here, there was a under the radar request to not bring in Asian faculty. What a challenge! When in robotics and computers many of their best faculty were Asian…
    7. Now that we are talking about nationalities and racism, let me recount something I hear a lot! “Oh, you are Indian? Nice. My maid/driver etc are from India.” Fantastic. It’s great to have Indian help at home. But seriously, you haven’t seen an Indian accountant, engineer, banker in the country?
    8. Another complaint is that foreigners come here only for the money. What else? What other reasons are there? We can live here for decades, and still not bring our family here for a visit or get anything more than an annually renewable work visa. So seriously, what is expected of foreigners?
    9. Taking off from what Nigel said…”I am not a racist, except sometimes, when it’s about people who are below me…”

    But definitely a thought provoking piece Mariam, you should restart your column with us. Really miss it.

    • mimizwords said,

      Of course things are not perfect in Qatar .. as you read in my blog, I despise who Qataris treat cheap labour and dont pay them well. There should be drastic change regarding this matter.

      I also do not deny the fact that we cannot fulfill our development goals without depending on expats. I like having a variety of nationalities here, it teaches Qataris so much about other cultures. However, What I am talking about here is why Qataris are not being paid as much as foreigners when they are equally qualified. I am not even talking about unskilled Qataris, those who have only High School Diplomas only. I am talking about those who Have BA, MBA and PHD, who worked for several years and still are not being appreciated.

      And maybe once I am done with my degree, I will email you about new ideas.

      • CamelToe said,

        I would suggest that one reason why Qatari employees are not as desirable as non-Qataris is the fact that, comparatively, they don’t seem to give 110%. Fundamentally Qataris are in a very different situation than expats. Most don’t HAVE to work (and never have — this is a welfare state, from the cradle to the grave). They don’t have to learn the ropes by starting at the bottom and working their way up. They don’t have to please their bosses to retain their jobs. There is no incentive to perform well. They will be promoted above better-qualified and more-experienced employees because the policy of Qatarization encourages that to happen.

        The Qataris I have personally worked with have had no problem taking off for 2+ weeks of unplanned holiday during critical periods at work (causing everyone else to have to pick up their slack) or not being able to stay late/beyond regular hours to attend vital meetings.

        Most foreigners (both blonde, blue-eyed expats and expat Arabs) seem to have a keener awareness of the priority that one’s job should be given (because they have to; they don’t get a free ride) and they behave accordingly. They will stay 5 hours late to get the project done and take work home over the weekend if need be. They don’t see any job as being beneath them; they’ll do what needs to done, even if it’s not in their job description. They are team players. They clean up their own messes and pitch in to help clean up other’s — because most didn’t grow up in a society where they expected anyone else to do those things for them.

        Considering those two very different attitudes, which would you prefer to hire to work in your company?

        I have no doubt that there are nationals here who are well-educated and skilled and earnestly desire to be challenged in their jobs so that they can contribute to their country’s progress and advancement (as well as advance and hone their own skills). I know several. But I also genuinely believe that they are currently in the minority. I think that there are far more Qataris who aren’t as skilled and experienced as their expat counterparts and aren’t interested in doing anything beyond the bare minimum. They want a desk job that demands little of them yet is at the top of the food chain, provides an impressive title and a big salary.
        I know the situation is improving…but IMHO it’ll be another generation at least before a majority of the locals will even be close to being on par with the expat population in terms of the skill set and work ethic they bring to a job.

      • mimizwords said,

        I do hear stories about lazy Qataris, and part of what you said is true. I have encountered some at work and had a horrible experience with them. But I am not sure if its only a minority who are aspiring to challenges and give 110%. Most people I know, my sister, most of my friends, my aunties and some of my cousins. All of them work so hard. I have to book an appointment with my sister to see her. On a good day, she will go to work at 5:30 and come back home at 6. My friend, same story. And all of them are having serious troubles with their foreign managers because 1- they are not teaching them at work. 2- they are making it difficult to give them training courses. 3- They are deliberately taking away critical projects from their hands. and many more. so you see, the way I see it, its not a minority at all. If it was, I would be hearing this from a couple of people, not almost every Qatari I know.

      • CamelToe said,

        I will definitely agree with you that the WOMEN in Qatari society far outpace the men in terms of skills, work ethic, and desire to learn and do more. For years, colleagues have been observing this same trend.

      • Marjorie said,

        I’ve also seen these problems you’re describing, but I believe many of them are a direct RESULT of Qatarization.

        My university graduates many highly skilled, hard-working Qataris each year. At first I thought that Qatarization meant they’d all have bright futures ahead of them, because they all graduate with multiple job offers while non-Qatari students struggle to find work.

        However, then we started hearing back from a few of our Qatari graduates that they were having problems like the ones you describe. They discovered their employers only hired them to meet Qatarization quotas, and wouldn’t assign meaningful work to them because they assumed that the Qataris would be worthless or lazy employees. I can’t imagine how terrible that must feel, to realize that you were only hired because of your passport and not because your bosses thought you actually had a contribution to make.

        I started asking myself, why did those employers expect the Qatari employees to be worthless or lazy? Obviously I don’t think Qatari people are inherently lazier or stupider than other races. But, sadly, because of Qatarization — because it’s so hard to fire Qataris — Qatari employees have more opportunities to be lazy and unproductive than other employees. If *I* stopped showing up to work and was completely unproductive, my employer would fire me; so, even if I’m a lazy person, I’m forced to be productive. However, if a Qatari person stopped coming to work and did nothing at all, it would be very hard for their employer to fire them; so, if they happened to be a lazy person they could get away with being lazy.

        Thus, I think the Qatarization system in place — the quota system and the fact that it’s so hard to fire a Qatari — create the problems you describe. Because lazy Qataris can get away with being unproductive while lazy Westerners can’t, bosses end up seeing more laziness from Qataris than Westerners, which creates a stereotype that Qataris aren’t willing to really work hard. So, ironically, Qataris end up suffering because of the Qatarization policy!

        I personally think the solution is the one that several previous posters have suggested: create a true meritocracy where jobs go to the most qualified candidate and where people are promoted and rewarded if they work hard, not simply because they have blond hair and blue eyes OR because they wear a thobe. 🙂 And then POUR resources into primary and secondary education for Qataris, to make sure that they aren’t disadvantaged in a merit-based system by a sub-standard education (which is sadly what is happening now for Qataris in government schools). That way Qataris will be able to get jobs they deserve, and they will be treated like they deserve them instead of like they got them through entitlement.

      • Kbaisi said,

        @ marjorire

        I agree with all you have said, in the US they used to have a similar program for minorities with ‘Affirmative Action’, that too was a failure and blacks/hispanics were mainly employed to meet quotas and not take on any real work.

  14. M&M said,

    I have one question. Do the Qatari company owners and executives like American/Europen people more than they like Qataris? No, they don’t.

    If the companies are hiring Americans/Europeans, it’s because they think white people make better employees. This is how capitalism works — it’s a basic concept. There are various possible reasons why Americans/Europeans are good workers.

    1. Qatari education up through high school might suck.
    2. Qatari workers are difficult to fire once hired … there are rules about firing them that don’t exist for other workers. So nobody wants to take a risk hiring a Qatari.
    3. Native English speakers are really good at speaking English, and that matters a lot.
    4. Perhaps the average American/European expat is actually a more skilled and more productive worker than the average Qatari…
    5. Some Americans/Europeans are not good workers, and those people get fired and go home, after a while.

    Your complains are slightly hollow…

  15. CKCH said,

    This is the first time I have come to your blog. I’m glad I came. This is a really good post. I had no idea that there was a situation like this, whether real or perceived. It is nice to read a Qatari’s perspective! It is sad, but I seldom get to talk to people from this country and find out what they are thinking. I don’t know why this is the case. I have talked to people from seemingly every OTHER country. I am a blond, blue eyed guy. Sometimes I do feel as though, because of this, I do end up in a better situation than others may. I just didn’t realize that, in some cases, my family ends up in a better situation than Qataris. I agree that this isn’t right. Although I don’t think anyone should get a position they are not qualified for, if someone IS qualified who is Qatari, I believe strongly that they should get a job in their own country at a competitive wage FIRST. So, I can understand the frustration if this is happening. I just hope that it isn’t creating a situation where people end up hating westerners as a result. That would be very unfortunate.

    I plan to return to this blog often. I look forward to reading more from your perspective.

  16. jerk said,

    Maybe if Qataris made better workers than Europeans, people would hire the Qataris. After all, does your average Qatari boss like Europeans more than Qataris? Oh no, no he doesn’t. That means you need to fix Qatari primary education, among other things. Most of what you wrote is just disingenuous complaining.

    And you might try working on /integrating/ cultures. Expats go to Qatar and have almost no exposure to actual Qatari culture. They have very few interactions with Qataris. They don’t make friends with Qataris, because there are few chances. As long as this situation obtains, the cultural divide will remain strong.


    • Kbaisi said,

      @ jerk How many “average Qatari bosses” do you know? Did they tell you they prefer Qataris? You should introduce some of them to me…

      On a serious note, clearly the reason for hiring expatriates is to bring in the foreign expertise that is required to develop the country, and it is also clear that there is a lack of qualified locals to perform these jobs. However, the problems arise when certain ‘experts’ are given jobs that they really aren’t suitable for, and when Qataris return to be developed after studying abroad, it is these ‘experts’ who are made responsible to develop them. Nowhere in the world would you find a large corporation hiring someone as a senior manager whose only experience may have been being a senior supervisor at a small sized company in an isolated rural town , yet this happens in Qatar. How do you think a lot of the Qataris feel when they went to universities abroad and being taught by those who are among the best in their field, only to return and find out the person responsible for developing them engages in all kinds of questionable activities, and this has nothing to do with cultural or religious differences, I am talking about stuff like writing off personal meals as ‘Corporate lunches’. That kind of petty theft regularly goes on, and don’t get me started on the bigger scams.

      Qatarization is a failing program that needs to be dispensed with. As some have already state here, it too makes no difference between distinguishing quality Qataris from those who are out to have it easy. You can’t expect expatriates to be concerned about your development when your own people don’t seem to care either…

  17. jerk said,

    Oh, and don’t lie to yourself. Europeans and Americans go to Qatar for many reasons, not for money alone. Do you hate your country so much that you think the only good aspect is the paycheck? That’s just sad.


    • mimizwords said,

      Jerk .. your name says so much about you I guess

      Who said Qataris are not better or equal workers as Europeans? Not smart enough? not hard working enough? what do you now really? many of use have gotten the same education as Europeans, many of us have worked abroad for experience and were open to different cultures. How better Europeans are?

      This disingenuous complaining, is people’s true life, how they suffer. Non of this is fiction, how could it be disingenuous complaining when my bright pharmacist friend who used to run the biggest pharmacies in Egypt and teach students in and who is now slaving for 16 hours per day for 1000 QR per month is disingenuous?

      you are just throwing words here and there and don’t know what you are talking about.

      • jerk said,

        All things being equal, there are two universal truths.
        1. All things being equal (which they aren’t), Qatari bosses would rather hire Qataris than expats.
        2. People want to make money.

        If the Qatari bosses aren’t hiring Qataris as much as you’d like, it’s surely because they make more money (or think they make more money) by hiring outsiders. This is obvious to everyone, except you. Simple capitalism. That’s not good, that’s not right, and there’s something you can do about it — work on Qatari education and work ethic, and develop Qataris into better employees.

        But talking about that is a waste of time, because it’s said the Qatarization laws mean most companies are trying hard to hire Qataris, so it doesn’t even matter how good a worker the job-seeking Qatari is.

        As for low wages, Qatar has payed many (most?) immigrant workers very poorly for decades, and few Qataris seem to know or care. If you think it’s hard on Qataris, why don’t you ask yourself how much the average expat maid or construction worker gets paid. (They get paid very very little.) If you want /everyone/ to receive a reasonable salary — Qataris and expats alike — I’m sure you’ll find many friends in your quest. You could start by introducing a reasonable minimum wage.

  18. Anonymous said,

    من أقوال القائد صاحب السمو الشيخ حمد بن خليفة ال ثاني أمير البلاد المفدى
    (وكان المواطن القطري كما هو عهدنا الدائم في مقدمة أولوياتنا من أجل إعداده وتأهيله وكفالة أسباب الحياة الكريمة له إيمانا منا بأن تحقيق التنمية الشاملة والمستدامة إنما يكون بالأساس من خلال الاستثمار فى مجال التنمية البشرية والارتقاء بقدرات الإنسان القائم على تنفيذ وإدارة الجوانب المختلفة للتنمية الشاملة )

    على الرغم من رعاية سمو الأمير الذي شملنا باهتمامه الدائم ودعمه المستمر فما زال الأجنبي في قطر له الأولوية في كافة فرص التعليم والعمل والتطوير و الترقيات و الراتب و الخدمات الاجتماعية. و يظل الأجنبي عقبة أمام تنمية و تقدم أبناء و بنات البلد

    • Marjorie said,

      If I’m understanding you correctly you’re saying foreigners have priority in educational and employment opportunities. I just don’t see how you can say that’s true in the face of Qatarization. I’ve seen the same thing suckerpunch says above: Qatari graduate from Ed City universities end up with multiple job offers, while non-Qataris end up facing unemployment. The difference between the opportunities available to each group is staggering, and it is definitely not in the foreigners’ favor!

  19. NG said,

    well, what do you do if you are neither Qatari, nor do you have blue eyes? This seems to be the trap.

    • Stretch said,

      Like Nigel said above….

      “As Norman Tebbitt once told the unemployed of Britain: get on your bike, and go where the jobs are.”

      Who says I want to leave my country to have to look for work elsewhere? There area lot of things in life I don’t necessarily want to have to do but one has to sometimes. Whoever said life was fair?

      However, I would say there are definitely some whose life is much, much harder to bare in this country and that would be those who are neither Qatari and nor those with blue eyes.

      I sense the disparity that is evident for everyone along the employment “food chain” is what causes much of the rivalry between everyone here. Tis the reason most countries have employment laws and standards, human rights laws and standards, etc. Which I’m sure will develop here. Like everything though, it will take some time…. but can be prodded along with outspoken voices. Sadly, for me anyways, that voice will only cause me trouble and likely get me kicked out of the country. So, hopefully Qatari’s like you Mimiz will speak loud and clear to your leaders to make it a little more equal for all.

  20. B. said,

    Simple really..

    قطر لغير القطريين..

    It’s a sad day when I have to be a blue eyed blonde to earn a decent job in my own country..

  21. genesis said,

    Many Qataris have an awful feel of resentment over this issues. It’s been discussed over in newspaper writer’s columns , many local blogs & internet forums. In fact, a local internet forums was shutdown because of exposing the salary slip & expenses of an expat employee in one of the semi-government corporation.It’s even a hot topic now in the Ministries council.
    The issue here is not about hiring expats .it’s about the corruption & abuse of power of some of some of the highly paid expats. and it didn’t happen once, but in many different sectors.That’s why many Qataris now are questioning the reason for recruiting expats in high management post, when all they do is squander the country’s wealth.

    As i’ve written in many different threads earlier, I’m not really fond of random Qatarisation. Nor do i agree in the whole “Why expats are paid higher” analogy.

    Two years ago, Qataris at government ministries kept complaining about how low is their salaries compared with semi-Government authorities. Until a unified HR law is applied in all government offices. Employees at ICT, Ashgal, UPDA & Kahramma had their salaries deducted & their health insurance & education allowances deprived from them , while ministries employees had a slight raise just for the sake of having a unified salaries
    How Just is that? When you unify the salaries of those who work for 8hours with employees at ministries who barely work for 5hours a day?

    How will all this effect the productivity of those government entities?Job vacancies at those entities are escalating and most are running on very limited human resources

    The bottom line, Productivity is a key factor here. And it’s the main reason why some expatriates are earning more.

  22. genesis said,

    CamelToe said,
    Qataris are in a very different situation than expats. Most don’t HAVE to work (and never have — this is a welfare state, from the cradle to the grave). They don’t have to learn the ropes by starting at the bottom and working their way up.

    —How did you know that most Qataris don’t have to work?Do you have a statistic on that?
    Well, let me than tell you. For the past decade, Many( if not most) married Qatari couples now work simply because they can’t afford not to. Many live with their parents as they can’t afford to build a home. Do you how much is the housing allowance of all government entities employees under the unified HR Law( whether senior or junior staff) ? it’s 4000QR. Don’t be fooled by the life style as many are on debt.

    • CamelToe said,

      Re: Genesis’ comment that married Qatari couples cannot afford to build a home

      I don’t disagree that is the case. But I have little sympathy for young couples (or their culture) who deem it unseemly or beneath them to rent an apartment/house initially when they first get married. This goes to back to the sense of entitlement here. Where else do young couples expect to be able to BUILD their own custom-designed house when they first get married? Seriously…that level of hubris is astounding.

      Related to this, I am not unaware that many Qataris are living in debt. But again, I have little sympathy for individuals who are given so much and then squander what they are blessed with. Buying a QR 250,000 car when they really can only afford a Hyundai? Flying first class for a vacation they had to take a loan out for? This is, unfortunately, how many Qataris live, and this living beyond one’s means, this “keeping up with the Joneses” mentality is bankrupting many.

      As you and others have referenced, productivity is the bottom line. If expat workers are more efficient and profitable, they will continue to be sought after, even at what might appear to some to be inflated salaries and packages.

  23. I CARE said,

    15 percent of the total population are qataries.

    80% of this 15% are driving around Land Mark day and night “hunting for girls”

    << those are the ambitious people we need to hire and accept in our universities.

    the other 20% work for the army, police, ISF or Emiri gaurd.

    • Kbaisi said,

      So 80% of the Qatari population are “driving around landmark day and night hunting for girls” huh? Thanks for this interesting fact, I never knew that the Qatari citizen population have what must be the world’s highest number of lesbians per capita.

      • Ahmad said,

        hahah yeah i forgot about that!

        we might as well have the highest percentage of lesbians in the world. << again percentage as in total number of gay people compared to the small number of qataris we have.

        What I meant by my previous sarcastic comment is that we still have many people to educate and "put some hope in" in order to give them job. Hiring a bunch of losers just because they have qatari passports will take us back to the butt of the world.

      • Moza said,

        Wow, two birds, one stone. In your attempt to highlight the flaws of your fellow countrymen, instead, you berated them and also managed to spout homophobic remarks. Maybe you should practice what you preach. Bidaal ma tka7ilha, 3imayt-ha.
        These dimwitted stereotypes just keep getting better.

        “I never knew that the Qatari citizen population have what must be the world’s highest number of lesbians per capita.”

        If there’s any shred of truth to what you said, I understand why girls prefer being lesbians. It’s because of “men”, or shall I say little boys like yourself.

        Did it ever occur to you that a lot of the guys that drive around Landmark aren’t necessarily fishing for girls? Are you going to deny that?

      • Kbaisi said,

        @ Moza

        The irony of you accusing me of homophobia when I had said absolutely nothing negative about that ‘fact’, you chose to interpret that statement as negative, which perhaps reflects your own issues with homosexuality.

        As for my statement, no I didn’t analyze their possible intentions for going to landmark, just as I did not consider the validity of 80% of the population being there over the course of one day…LOL!

        Calm yourself down and don’t take the internet too seriously.

    • Aisha said,

      My fellow Aggie, I totally understand that you see yourself superior to those people driving around in LM, but calling all of them disqualified is another issue! Knowing that a lot of Qataris prefer to work for the army, police, ISF or Emiri gaurd etc., and that their own choice by the way, does not make them any less than the rest of us who decided to work in the industrial sector. Please before making judgments and stating false statistics, remember that some expats “fish” for different type of partners in bars or even the workplace if they daring!
      So again, cruising around Land Mark, as much as I personally hate it and find it annoying, is not an indicator of the ambition/productivity level of the person sitting behind the steering wheel in a work environment.

      • Ahmad said,

        I mentioned the army and emiri guard to give an example on the ceiling of their ambition.

        Qatar keeps creating new divisions to the police just to hire those high school rejects. This is because we don’t know what to do with them.

        We have technical schools, colleges and great universities. The country is paying millions just to send students to whatever university they want and study whatever they want.

        yet, people decide to slack off in high school. They just don’t have the motivation that makes them study harder and try to be a little ambitious.

        and who cares what people in the west do to find partners? lol i don’t see how that’s relevant. People circulate around LM not to meat people. They harass girls and stare at each other.
        Excuse me, but when I see that this is somone’s way of amusement, i’d call them losers and they’re way beneath me.

      • Kbaisi said,

        @ Ahmad

        If they are working hard in their jobs in the military and doing their work properly then what is it to you if they chose that profession? Have you considered their individual circumstances? Do you even know the quality of the schooling they have received? You can’t boast about all these government initiatives to promote education but overlook the shortcomings of education at the fundamental level in a lot of government schools. Your definition of ambition is not necessarily theirs, and as long as they are doing their jobs properly then they should be respected.

  24. SRS said,

    foreigners are just jealous of Qataris money .. they are so ignorant and will never understand the Qatari mentality and life style and will always point the finger at us and judge us without knowing us .. how stupid it is to think that all Qataris are lazy rich people? or that living in a rented flat is beneath them.

    The truth that no ones wants to admit is that foreigners only came to Qatar because they are nothing but losers in their own countries ..

    • Marjorie said,

      SRS, if your goal is to say that judging people without knowing them is wrong, you might try saying it without judging people you don’t know. 🙂

      -a foreigner who is not jealous of Qataris’ money and was not a loser in my own country, thanks.

  25. genesis said,

    I think the intention of this post was never to question the average 30-70K QR westerner expats earning. But, to to shed some light over the 100k+QR salaries and how is that Waste of public money. It’s really surprising that some of you are trying to silence us with” colonial justifications” & how lazy some of us can be . While in your countries there is Parliament, Labor Unions,Professional associations & IRS Audits over high salaries.
    Off course Qataris are questioning this and have feeling of resentment over it, When PHD & MBA holders are turned down because they’re over qualified.

    • Kbaisi said,

      Exactly, observe how since last summer it’s been open season on UK MPs and the increased public scrutiny on their expenses, this is a nation that has the rule of law, all sorts of check and balances, yet still this sort of thing is happening over there. Highly qualified government officials are misappropriating public funds.

      Yet if Qataris question the actions of senior level expatriates over here there is an overwhelming presumption that it is just a matter of them suffering from a sense of entitlement and being incapable or willing to do the same work that the expat is doing.

      I won’t deny that in a lot of cases this is true from what I have observed, but at the same time I know a good number of Qataris who are interested in developing their skills and receive training that would enable them to perform their jobs better. And it is the latter who are being failed by their own people who bring in questionable ‘experts’ and give them enough leeway to to exceed the limits of the rights that would be expected of their positions. Sorry to break it to a lot of you but there are in fact some Qataris who are capable of identifying real abuses of power and misappropriation of funds in the workplace, and it has nothing to do with jobs being stolen, in fact I’d go as far as saying that I’d rather have Qataris who are abusing their power to also be terminated from service and be replaced with professional expatriates, the keyword is professional.

      Please let’s focus on the topic at hand, it is irrelevant to introduce the topic of why don’t these qataris also fight for immigrant workers rights, you wouldn’t know if they did or not, have you read other posts by these Qataris? Have you spoken to them about their opinions on those issues? Once again you are making judgments while relying on presumptions rather than evidence. Most of my Qatari friends and myself included feel strongly about the issue of immigrant workers rights, but this is not the subject of Mimi’s post, so let’s stick to the subject please.

  26. mimizwords said,

    Kbaisi and Genesis .. thank you for your contributions, you have said what I wanted to say but couldn’t

    Also, thank you for all other commentators for adding their thoughts to this post.

  27. M said,

    Good morning to all!
    A few remarks from me on the topic :
    “There are so many job positions that are open in those companies, and I see with my own eyes, and hear with my own ears, managers directly saying I don’t WANT a Qatari for this position, especially if it’s a managerial position.”
    –> Perhaps there is an economical/policital reason to that. If investors are foreigners, they’ll have no interest into having a Qatari at a higher position, that could see all the “business” that is going underground. And if the leaders in the Qatari government let it happen, there might be some political interests we’re not aware of. Don’t forget Qatar is THE basis of the American army in the Middle-East and one of the first center of foreign investments.
    –> Expats are treated overexageratly well in any country of the world. They always get benefits and more money for “the prejudice of living abroad”. When you say you don’t want to leave your country and would like to be able to work in Qatar, so might an expat say: “if you want me to work there, then I want more money” (demand raises the offer, especially in these times of globalization). I think when you’re talking about 50000 QR for a manager position, you should consider that’s the price for having people come to the “desert” (it’s probably twice as what they’d get home). Most expats complain that there is nothing to do in Qatar, so they come only for the money… like some will go to Siberia, Irak, etc. Don’t wonder then, that the work can’t be done properly… they stay what, 3-4 years and then go…? There is no plan on the long term.
    –> About the 5-stars accomodation… I don’t think that the expats are so keen into living in a building where you don’t even have a window… or in a compound where every neighbour knows when you came home, with whom, etc. They are not all used to live that way, the luxus is a compensation for the change of habits… don’t think it really matter that much to them (except the few that lost foot on the reality, but you’ll find those everywhere… the one who buy a Louis-Vitton neckless for their dogs and ask for a raison of 10000 QR for a new coach in their living room).
    –> I wonder if a Qatari who got an MbA from abroad (United States or Europe) would get a high position… cause from what I heard, expats in Qatar don’t trust the Qatari educational system.
    –> About the skills of the expats or the Qatari. I can only say: you’ll find non-skilled people everywhere, and at the highest positions. If you’ve got the connections, no matter what you do at work and how bad you are, you’ll always have someone covering you and many companies fighting and rising the offer to hire you. Skills and talent are quite underestimated nowadays… you sometimes better search for friends among the strongest than study for your exams. And this is true all over the world…
    –> I remember that when I was living in Qatar money was a big issue for everyone : for workers, because they sent all the money home, for non-expats (Westerners or Arabs from Egypt or Syria) because they wanted to live like the expats but couldn’t, for expats because they wanted to get more so they couldn’t leave sooner, for Qataris because they were used to have things for free and/or were careful about what they spent when it came to education and culture (and this even in the highest society).
    So these were my wonders, thoughts and experiences… hope we’ll get some answers to our questions someday.
    Have a nice day!

  28. I love Qatar! said,

    Since numbers are the best witness to any argument. Here I will do rough calculations, and please elaborate if you have more accurate data. Since 80% of citizen work in the public sector, when it comes to their salaries, the law applies to them. In this law, experience doesn’t count for much, and it is only considered after the person is working in an institution.
    A Bachelor degree holder would be given the 6th rank in HR law standards, accordingly this means a basic salary of 6,000 QAR. The full package of social allowance and transportation and accommodation allowance will be a total of ( 2,500, 2,500 1,500 ) totaling 12,500 QAR per month.
    This citizen, needs to pay for his own housing, education, health care ( if he wishes to be free to choose his health care provider ), and transportation, yes and don’t forget food and clothes and the occasional starbucks coffee. Out of 12,500 QAR what do you think a bachelor degree holder that is QATARI can save? If it’s not in the negative then you are wrong!
    Any expatriate is better off, even the cheap labor worker makes more savings, which is a net income of 1,500 QAR per month, than that university educated Qatari, and this is the social scam all Qataris has been living!
    Yet, allow me to share this interesting survey for you SKILLED EXPATS. One in four expats earning more than $200,000 per year. The expats have a monthly disposable income in excess of $3,000, The 2009 Expat Explorer Survey, commissioned by HSBC Bank International, and identified Qatar as having some of the wealthiest expats after Russia and Japan. Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were among the other GCC countries listed as having the richest expats. The survey was based on an expat’s quality of life, annual income, disposable income, ability to save and possession of luxury items. Two-thirds (63 percent) of the expatriates surveyed in Qatar said the credit crunch had not changed their attitudes at all.
    The average American, British, West European, South African, Australian and other Blue Eyed Nationalities have a net income of 3,000 USD, that is 10,910 QAR, what is the Qatari University holder would have after paying his Q-Tel bill. You Expatriates don’t have an idea how is your presence in my country made most of my people suffer. I won’t ask you to leave, since we are kind and hospitable, but I will leave the door open, hoping you would get the message.

    • Alberuni said,

      You cannot compare apple to oranges, likewise fresh bachelor’s salary cannot be compared with ‘skilled expat’. Do a comparison of an equally skilled Qatari in similar position or with fresh bachelor degree holder expat. The difference may not be as big as you think if at all. First the social and economic structure needs to be made self-reliant before the expats can be shown the door. Even the most developed countries including US & Europe cannot sustain its economy without skilled expat workforce for which they even grant citizenship.

      • I love Qatar! said,

        I am not comparing apples to oranges. if you read like you were taught in your better quality education, you should have noticed that I mentioned experience doesn’t count, skills doesn’t count, and languages don’t count, that is because Qatari Labor Laws for Qataris doesn’t recognize them.

        Besides, a lot of HYPOCRITES in Qatar Foundation hold a bachelor degree and no “Relevant Experience” they still get paid MUCH MUCH MUCH more than that Qatari.

        Believe me we can do better with OUR MONEY than wasting it on skilled labor that is 100 % INEFFIECEINT. I don’t feel like going on mentioning all the wasted money on propaganda scams and ugly towers, but seriously I rather see our money remain under the government savings than in your overseas bank account.

        Thus if anything, our economy should be booming with surpluses and ACTUAL development. Since it’s only Qataris that can built a real development for Qatar, because they wont do it for the money, but because it is their country.


      • Stretch said,

        In response to I Love Qatar “Believe me we can do better with OUR MONEY than wasting it on skilled labor that is 100 % INEFFIECEINT. I don’t feel like going on mentioning all the wasted money on propaganda scams and ugly towers, but seriously I rather see our money remain under the government savings than in your overseas bank account.
        Thus if anything, our economy should be booming with surpluses and ACTUAL development. Since it’s only Qataris that can built a real development for Qatar, because they wont do it for the money, but because it is their country.”

        SORRY,but Qatar’s development and economy would come to an abrupt halt and fall flat on it’s face, should all the expats decide to pack up and leave.

    • CamelToe said,

      Just as an aside, I do know of expats who don’t seem to be living “the glamorous life” you think all of us are. One teacher at an international school here I know (Bachelors degree) makes 10,500 as his monthly salary. He does get housing (shared accommodation with another teacher), but he doesn’t own a car (he bums rides with friends usually), and only has use of the government medical system for his health care. He still manages to eat out occasionally and save a bit. He has no wife/kids to take care of, but then neither does he have an extended family here (as a Qatari would) who will house and feed him.
      I am sure he would love to have a better deal than what he currently gets, and I’ll freely admit that I would struggle to live on what he’s making, but he is making ends meet at least, not going into debt. And he gets to see the world a bit — a nice trade off and one of the main reasons we expats choose to work overseas.

      And as Alberuni said below, most expats here come with several more years of experience under their belts than Qataris, so you do need to watch your comparisons. Most of us have been working since we were teenagers (if you consider summer and part-time jobs). Most Qataris don’t have the benefit of having had actual work experience until after high school or university.

      And BTW — I almost choked when I saw that you were seriously contending that a migrant laborer here is financially better off than a Qatari with a BA degree. I am wondering how you typed that sentence and were able to maintain a straight face…

      • I love Qatar! said,

        WAW cameltoe, you are so true with your ONE teacher example. Let me share with you something, Qatari National Teachers are making less than your so called poor international expat. And they don’t get housing.
        Oh, So since we are socially more family oriented we should depend on them for living, but not ASK for the SAME wages expats get??? You are so intelligent my friend I think your country needs you more than ever. I’ll even buy you your one way ticket home, but I can only afford economy fair. Even Qataris pay more for Qatar airways tickets than expatriates. We are the expats in our own country.
        What kind of person who likes to depend on his family for food and housing. Oh yes, I forgot, the same cheap blue eyed expats who are ripping us off big time.
        Darling, work experience or not, I know so many expats and qataris whith years of work experience and they are paid less than you blue eyed people. This Topic is a real life issue. If I were you, I’ll have the balls to just admit, I AM HERE FOR THE MONEY! This money happens to be making other qualified Qataris get paid less and less and less.
        Oh my god, you found out my evil plan of chocking you! if you don’t get what net saving is then you would understand financially speaking yes he is better off.
        If it is mathematics or finance that you are skilled at, I am already assuming you are defending your position since you being paid more than you deserve. Enough said.
        BTW : Most Qataris have job experience and your stereotype and double standards is reflected by MOST expatriates here toward Qataris. I personally worked summer jobs since I was a teen, many of my generation did. And today’s Qataris Youth, they are even more professional and take internships in all industries, and believe me, they are better for our economy to be sustainable than all the expats executive managers here.

      • Marjorie in Qatar said,

        “Most Qataris have job experience”

        ILQ, you’re the one who raised the example of a fresh college graduate; that’s why we started discussing the wages of inexperienced people. That doesn’t mean we think all Qataris are inexperienced, only that we were responding to the example YOU gave!

        “if you don’t get what net saving is then you would understand financially speaking yes he is better off.”

        Net savings is the difference between disposable income and consumption. If you really think someone who makes QR 5 an hour has a larger disposable income than a someone making QR 100 an hour, then I think we must have very different definitions of “disposable.”

        “If I were you, I’ll have the balls to just admit, I AM HERE FOR THE MONEY!”

        I took a pay cut to move to Qatar. I came because I wanted the experience of living in the Arab world, and because I believed in the Sheikha’s vision for Education City. To quote “jerk” a few posts ago, it’s sad you think your country is so unappealing that I’d only choose to live here if bribed.

    • Marjorie in Qatar said,

      As others have said, comparing a fresh college graduate to the top 25% of skilled expats is meaningless.

      So I will present myself as an example of what an American college graduate might experience. In my first job after university I earned the equivalent QR 8515 a month. Unlike Qataris, I had to pay taxes and utility bills, and my petrol and food costs weren’t subsidized. I also had to pay for housing (QR 5000 a month), student loans, and health insurance, none of which Qataris *have* to pay unless they choose not to take the free options available to them.

      So pardon me if I don’t shed a tear that a 21-year-old Qatari might not be able to afford Starbucks every day. Sitting through four years of classes does not magically entitle you to a luxurious lifestyle. That is something that should be EARNED through years of work.

      And I am frankly DISGUSTED that you would compare the “plight” of Qataris with that of manual laborers who make QR 5 an hour.

      • mimizwords said,

        @ CamerlToe (whats up with the name lol) and Marjorie

        your image of Qatari life style, how a Qatari works, what he wants, what he aspires to has nothing to do with reality. Most of you have this image of spoilt kids complaining about nothing and not having to worry about anything because of their extended family. Have you considered if the extended family is able to support those young people at the first place? Do you really think that young people have nothing to do but complain about affording their luxurious life style or that they cannot survive without their Starbucks coffee? This is just to narrow and ignorant of what concerns the modern Qatari.

        And we are not speaking of only young graduates. Even those who have higher degrees and experience and hold managerial positions are not paid as much as expats. Even though the should have EARNED the same income.

        I know many Qataris who are living on charity from the government believe it or not. What you do not understand is that even if people are poor, they will not show it. This is something called ta’afof, which means never to show that you are in need to preserve your dignity. I do not mean that those people get loans to pretend to be rich, buy cars they cannot afford or go on first class expensive holidays (I do not deny that such people dont exist) but Some of those families really hope for their children to do well at school in order to get a good job and pull them out of their situation.

        Let me give you some examples of my own family just to show you that not every Qatari is spoilt, simple minded or a whining kid!

        My grandfather had a fight with his father who kicked him out of the house. He was so young, so poor and had to live in someone’s garage for several years with his FAMILY (my dad and my uncles). My grandfather did not whine and ask for money from other rich relatives. He worked so hard until he became one of the most successful merchantmen in Qatar.

        My Uncle, who is in his 30s started working since he was in school. He used to drive a pickup until recently while his friends were driving Ferraris. Even though he could have asked for any car he wants from his father, he was happy with his pickup. He was working and studying at the same time and worked so hard to develop himself and now he is also another very successful merchant without the help of anyone.

        My aunt has 15 kids, She got married when she was 17. She and her husband had nothing to start a life with. They both worked hard. Despite being a working mother, she continued her studies and got a Phd. She works 2 jobs and is raising 15 kids! and even though she is a published author and a professor, her expat colleagues at university who do not even have half the qualification she has, or had the same tough life she had are earning way much more than her.

        And myself. I work and study at the same time. Sometimes I will take 2 jobs at once only to be able to afford the rent and buy food. Sometimes I wont be able to go out with my friends because I cannot afford to dine out or go to the movies. And I never considered calling my dad and asking him for money. I Still remember the day I came back to my room at the university dorms on a sunday to find out that I was not provided with anything to cover myself with while sleeping. The heater was not working and I had no food nor money. I layed out my jackets to cover myself but it was useless because it was freezing. but I went through this on my own without complaining! I did not take out my platnum card as many assumes every Qatari have and went to a five start hotel. I was and still just like any other student.

        I can go on and on and give you many examples. its not all easy for Qataris as you think. And believe it or not, we can survive without the Caramel Macchiato or without a first or business class ticket !! not everyone has a 4X4 car, a family that pays for his food and cloths. And we certainly do not expect to be managers as soon as we graduate!

        So rest assure that we are not arguing that sitting through four years of studies should magically give graduates managerial positions and loads of money. You are missing the point here.

        First, those young people are not getting the training they should get form those experts simply because those experts do not wish to train a Qatari who will one day be good enough to take his/her place. Not almost, but every single person I know is suffering from this problem. My sister at QP, My friend at QNB, my cousin at QFC … etc. and even my aunt at QU! I heard all sorts of excuses not to send Qataris to training courses, give them serious projects ..etc. And its all because of the ignorant assumption that Qataris will not do a good job or that they are lazy! how could you know if you do not give us a chance. And is it really logical to judge a whole nation being lazy because of the act of few individuals?

        Second, those Qataris who have MBAs or Phds and years of experience are not getting paid as their foreign colleagues are. unless they have wasta or by mistake, a CO!

        And not every expat who receives a lot of money is professional. I personally know few individuals who do not even have a diploma but were put as managers. Another thing, is that even if they were professionals at their domain, some of them are unproductive and unaware of the working environment. I have seen with my own eyes who low quality their work could be since I have worked with some. My friend at QFC tells me that her Anglosaxon manager does not know how to enlarge an Excel sheet for example!

        And lastly, our concern here is not to be against the expat. Its our right to question these individuals behavior and why our government’s policy has created such situation. Its not to point a finger and say we are good you are bad. We are letting our thoughts and concerns out about a topic that concerns us as the people who will be the future of this country more than anyone else.

        we are sharing real stories here, I think this should count for something

      • Marjorie in Qatar said,


        I have a lot of contact with young Qatari men and women through my job, and I know they are not all spoilt kids. We have Qatari students who work extremely hard, and I truly admire their dedication. And I do know that there are Qataris living in poverty, which s something many Westerners never notice.

        I did NOT say all Qataris are spoilt; I am responding to a specific argument made by “I love Qatar!” “I love Qatar!” is arguing that fresh Qatari graduates deserve more than QR 12,500 a month, and that a salary of this size makes them WORSE OFF THAN MANUAL LABORERS. That claim is preposterous, and I think it represents a shocking amount of entitlement and hubris. Please do not assume that since I think “I love Qatar!” is spoilt and arrogant that I think all Qataris are spoilt and arrogant. 🙂

        And when you say “our concern here is not to be against the expat”: I believe that YOUR concern is not to be against the expat. Your blog entry on the Lisa Clayton debacle was the most balanced article I read about the whole affair, so I believe that you are an even-handed person who can see both sides. But “I love Qatar!” just said that I make his/her people suffer and that he/she wishes I would just leave. That sounds pretty “against the expat” to me!

      • I love Qatar! said,

        Who said the top 25%?? They are not top in anything Marjorie. I’ll take you for an example if you don’t mind. Your comparison is meaningless, we are talking about QATAR and *NOT* the good old U.S.A.
        First of, let me give you an example of one of my expat friends who happens to be coincidently American. Her kids receive free education in the school of their choice, and of course they choose the best school accordingly the most expensive private one. My Qatari friend on the other hand, she has to pay for her own kids education cost, she struggles to put her kids in the best school but of course, since they are Qataris, the best school happens to favor Anglo-Saxon background children, we don’t even fill the normal quotas! Don’t tell me kids need also experience to be admitted to school, well, maybe if they are Qataris! Her eldest daughter is fully sponsored at one of the Qatar Foundation schools, I have to say she got grades, and that was due to her earlier top notch education paid by Qataris’ money. Here we see a CLEAR favorism toward foreigners even when it comes to basic social needs, like education and health care. They didn’t earn it did they. On top of all that, they happen to work for the SAME company and hold the SAME position!
        You can feed someone else your crap about how Americans are struggling in American and how they have gone so much experience in life that’s why they deserve to be PAID MORE THAN QATARIS??
        Please go proof your abilities somewhere else. You are not answering the main arguments being stated.
        The labor laws, contracts, and the social context in Qatar are **BIASED** toward EXPATRIATES when it comes to

        And I am frankly DISGUSTED that you would compare QATARIS who are SO UNDERPAID next to AMERICANS who SO OVERPAID in MY QATAR!
        You have also been selected to get a free one way ticket to the US. Please call 1-800-UNCLESAM to claim your ticket!

      • jerk said,

        I love Qatar!, you should think more and write less. If you friend is paying to put her kids in the best school and she can’t afford it, maybe that’s a very good reason to make /all/ Qatari schools better. No doubt there are a lot of parents who’d like to send their kids to good schools and can’t afford to. This problem has nothing to do with foreigners. Only Qataris can fix the Qatari primary education system.

      • jerk said,

        Also, when I was in to Qatar, I was paid about what I made in America. I’m not alone. There are plenty of westerners who want to experience life in Qatar and make salaries comparable to what they’d get back at home.

        Do you think so little of Qatar that you think nobody’d ever go there except for the big paycheck? It’s so sad how you hate your own country.

      • Marjorie in Qatar said,

        I love Qatar!,

        “Who said the top 25%??”

        You said 1/4 earn that, so they’re the top 25% income bracket. I didn’t mean the top 25% in terms of skills or whatever. I agree with you that in Qatar, as in the US, there are a lot of people earning ridiculously inflated salaries for no discernible reason. 🙂

        “Your comparison is meaningless, we are talking about QATAR and *NOT* the good old U.S.A.”

        The point of my comparison is that, in ANY country, a fresh college graduate doesn’t earn very much. So I think there are lot of very good examples of pay inequities in Qatar, but your specific example was a bad one because it compared a fresh Qatari graduate to the AVERAGE expat, when the average expat is not a fresh graduate.

        “Here we see a CLEAR favorism toward foreigners even when it comes to basic social needs, like education and health care.”

        I completely agree with you that employers shouldn’t pay for Westerners’ kids to go to private school but not pay for Qataris’ kids. That said, what your argument boils down to is that private schools are preparing their students adequately for college, while public schools aren’t. The way to fix it, as jerk said, is to fix the government schools. You shouldn’t HAVE to go to a private school to get accepted to a good college.

        “You can feed someone else your crap about how Americans are struggling in American and how they have gone so much experience in life that’s why they deserve to be PAID MORE THAN QATARIS??”

        I didn’t say the deserve to be paid more than Qataris FOR THE SAME LEVEL OF WORK AND EXPERIENCE. I have been very clear in saying I think it’s unethical to pay different people different amounts based on their passport. So I’m saying if you want to compare the wages of a fresh Qatari graduate to an American’s wages, compare them to a fresh American graduate. I have fresh American graduates who work for me, by the way, and I can assure you they do not earn anything close to the wages you posted above.

        I also think it’s unfortunate that this conversation is focusing entirely on Western expats vs. Qataris. The ones I feel bad for are the non-Qatari long-term residents here, who receive NEITHER the benefits of being an expat hire NOR the cushy government subsidies Qataris get.

        “You have also been selected to get a free one way ticket to the US. Please call 1-800-UNCLESAM to claim your ticket!”

        Wait, I thought you didn’t ask foreigners to leave because you’re so “kind and hospitable.” That didn’t last long, did it.

  29. Alberuni said,

    We don’t have a free market economy where inefficiencies go bankrupt, entrepreneurship is encouraged and only the best managed ones thrives. In the current system there will always be pockets of inefficient organizations that will still be successful. Here people (blue eyed or not) will be able to do certain things without being accountable. Whatever they do, company will not go bankrupt, so just make the most of personal gain and get out. Add to that, lack of motivation to work for local population(especially the male folks), people without capability reaching high posts, makes it a very murky top management and policies. All these will cause people to exploit the conditions for personal gains rather than for the organization or the country.

    • Kbaisi said,


      You have pretty much nailed it, that is why although Qatar appears to be a capitalist state on the surface, the reality is more like communist states where key industries are held tightly in the hands of a few minorities, and whether they run them efficiently or not they will still be ‘successful’. This discourages those who would otherwise want to compete in a true free market economy because they know they won’t have the connections or the financial backing that support these inefficient organizations.

      • jerk said,

        I don’t think the word “communist” means what you think it means.

      • Kbaisi said,

        @ jerk

        I do know what it means in theory, but in practice it is applied the way I described, that is why the current Russian oligarchs are mostly men who were key figures in the communist state where there was ‘equality’.

      • jerk said,

        Instead of “communism”, consider using “corruption” or “graft”. This will prevent you wasting everyone’s time.

      • Kbaisi said,

        Anyone who understands the key issues relating to why communism does not work in principle will not have had their time wasted, and would understand the underlying causes that I was getting at with previous posts.

        Perhaps a little background reading on the collapse of the Soviet union will help you understand these issues better, instead of wasting everyone’s time because of your inability to grasp a basic analogy.

  30. History Repeats itself said,

    This is need to be reflected by the social injustice taking place in this country upon its own citizens.

    According to the U.N. Statistical Office, National and Per Capita Income in 70 countries in 1949, in a Statistical Paper, the net national product may be defined as the total value in monetary terms of all goods and services consumed privately and by government, plus net investment during the period under review. The stake of attributing conceptions of welfare to estimates of per capita income are nowhere better displayed than in the oil-rich sheikhdom of the Middle East with its large incomes in oil and gas royalties and scanty populations. Qatar, with an estimated population of 20,000, received oil royalties amounting to 42 million dollars in 1956. Thus, making the small state ranked as the highest per capita income in the world. Its inhabitants continued however to live poverty-stricken lives, though changes in patterns of living undoubtedly occurred, still many faced “malnutrition and wavering in mortality rates”. This was somehow due to a rigid social structure, which has greatly hindered the downward percolation of this enhanced income. According to a British Officer it was not a shocking scene to find corps of locals lying in the desert or by the beach, mostly died out of starvation and lack of water.

  31. genesis said,

    @ I love Qatar!

    With all due respect, but I find your recent post to Marjorie distasteful!!!

    At the end, why are you addressing this to them?

    While it’s not a secret that it’s Qataris who recruited them In the first place

    I think this thread went in a different direction. The Intention is to discuss Highly paid Expats who get away with Corruption & scams. Not to prosecute each & every expat!!!

    Although I respect your enthusiasm . But Qataris can’t fulfill each & every job, Specially where it matters most (AKA the energy/industrial sector).

    • I love Qatar! said,

      I totally agree with you, I think I had too much STARBUCKS today!

      However those jobs you have mentioned, part of the states nationlization of jobs plan has been fullfilled. However, they still face problems in terms of mentoring, coaching, development and trainning. And this is 50% direct cause of the Expats who refuse to train and mentor highly educated Qataris with great potentials to replace them. the other 50% goes to the few high positioned Qataris who hired those expats without stating clearly, it is not a duty but an obligation to coach and mentor our youth. I don’t want to us to depend on expats for the rest of our lives. would you like to see your country depend on foreign human capital for its most vital source of income and economic strenght?

  32. Moza said,

    Quick question, what category of this population do you fall into? The other 20%? Would you care to generalize (once again) about the kind of people in that category?
    We have a very well known proverb that I personally think applies to you.

    اللي عمره ماتبخــــــــــــــــــر .. تبخـــــر و احتـــــــرق

    Who made you the expert on Qataris, ya sheen el sirj 3al bgara.

    • Moza said,

      By the way, my post was directed @ Ahmad aka I Care. (Yeah right.)

      • Ahmad said,

        lol you used two proverbs and none of them fits in the correct context.

        Anyway, when I was a young kid in 8th grade, I used to look at those idiots (who made about 20/30 of the class). And I always wondered why they didn’t care. I just couldn’t imagine someone not caring to this extent. Don’t they want a good job when they grow up? don’t they want to learn something useful in their lives?

        Of course, i never asked them these question directly. I just didn’t understand why would someone be like that. Perhaps their parents didn’t push them, but they were at an age where they should start realizing what’s right and what’s wrong.

        long story short, I see some of those kids moving traffic at round-a-bouts every morning on the way to uni.

        In english class (which was very very low level) none of them gave a rat’s *** about what was being taught. Today those are the students who complain about toefl exams and SAT.

        I’m sorry i thew a number like 80%, i was just trying to exaggerate to indicate a large number of losers.

        I studied in public schools ALL my life. I’m Qatar, i talked to those guys, i played with them and I watched them.

        We do have very promising people who make me very proud. sadly, those people exist in small numbers.

        I can go on and on if you want more examples on how most qataries do their jobs very badly with no quality. I have dozens of those and i’m sure you know more stories than i do. So let’s not deny the truth and work a bit more on improving our education system and finding better things to do for those idiots who go to “3omrah” every day at Land Mark.

  33. jerk said,

    I have a question. Suppose Qatar stopped Qatarization, and instead limited the number of work visas. Then there would be more jobs available for Qataris … if the Qataris were good employees, that is. What do you think of this idea?

    • Kbaisi said,

      They shouldn’t limit work visas, but rather scrutinize who they are issuing these work visas too, and ensure they are doing the jobs they were contracted to do, nothing more nothing less. It is two extremes in Qatar when it comes to expats, you have on one end the Laborers who are exploited and do not receive a lot of the provisions they were expecting, and the other end you have high level expats who are given a ridiculous degree of latitude in their occupations, too much power with no checks on it.

      As for Qataris the scholarship/reward system should be merit based, not wasta/citizenship based. Certain jobs should be reserved for top performers and those who display an interest in learning and developing themselves. It is quite frankly preposterous to think Qatar can function without expats, and even now the Emir’s current vision for Qatar in 2030 and the expansion of LNG projects, they will need even more expats to sustain the growth, this is a fact and common sense.

      • Ahmad said,

        Kbaisi .. I’d like to thank you for your nice way of delivering you ideas. Although i don’t agree with some of the points you made, I respect the way you address every problem and the way you reply to some offensive posts.

        🙂 just thought that الحق يقال

      • nosir said,

        Kbaisi, what you’re talking about, how the qualified people get the good jobs, because they’ll produce the best results, that’s what’s supposed to happen in a fair market system. Qatarization laws destroy this system, which is why Qatarization is hurting Qatar.

  34. B. said,

  35. E. said,

    There is no denying some of the negative outcomes of Qatarization, the meaningless ‘headcounts’, the difficulties faced by deserving expat graduates, etc. But I have to agree it goes both ways.

    I was one of Education City’s early graduates, and as a local, was offered an entry-level position at my alma mater for a monthly salary of around 13,000QR. I was told this was the “local package”. Luckily for me, I have a foreign passport and was able to fight for the “expat package” that other ‘blue-eyed’ individuals were being offered for the exact same position. The “expat package” came out at a monthly salary of just over 23,000QR.

    There is absolutely no reason that any one job should have more than one “salary package” attached to it, the 10,000QR difference wasn’t being assigned to people with higher qualifications or more experience, it was completely based on nationality – which is ridiculous! I would be willing to bet that if I moved to the US to take a job there, my salary wouldn’t be double what a local was earning the the same position just because I am Arab..

    • CamelToe said,

      I can’t speak to the specifics of your situation, but I would venture that the 10,000 difference probably covers things that most expats get as part of their overall foreign hire package — like a housing allowance, utilities allowance, relocation allowance, etc.

      As a “local” it is presumed you’re already living here and have a place (with your family at the very least) and thus do not need to for your job to provide for this. Many expat spouses get the same deal (their husband/wife gets these allowances from their job, so they can’t double dip).

      I don’t think this is unfair. Expats are relocating across the globe, uprooting their lives to come here and take a job. If rents/cost of living in Qatar weren’t so ridiculously over-priced, I doubt there would be a need for such a difference in salary package. But when you can’t get a decent place to live in Qatar unless you’re willing to pay double what you would in downtown Manhattan or Tokyo….then the packages need to make up the difference if they expect to attract the caliber of talent that other major cities/companies get.

      And as far as salaries in Qatar being based upon nationality…again, the expats aren’t the ones who created this system. Who doesn’t know that in Qatar a Filipino’s salary range is X, an Indian’s is Y…? I’m not saying it’s fair or right (it is neither), but this is the way Qatari nationals have been doing business for a long, long time.

      I think the locals’ frustration stems from the fact that now THEY are getting the short end of the stick, and it’s not a nice feeling.

      • nosir said,

        “I think the locals’ frustration stems from the fact that now THEY are getting the short end of the stick, and it’s not a nice feeling.”

        This is false. The locals’ frustration is based on their *belief* they’re getting the short end of the stick.

        The people *actually* getting shafted are the low paid foreigners working in Qatar. Maids, security guards, construction workers, etc.

  36. HA said,

    I guess even the NYT picked up on your frustration 🙂


  37. CamelToe said,

    Point taken, nosir. I stand corrected. 🙂

  38. Cat said,

    Qataris whining at the fact that foreigners seem to “steal Qatari jobs” always make me laugh. I mean, this is YOUR country – YOU hired them, YOU brought them over, YOU pay them, why complain?? I am the so called “blonde with blue eyes”, but so what? I can’t decide what to pay myself or what job to give myself in Qatar – QATARIS make this decision for me. So, if you have issues with your decision making, you only have yourself to blame.

    Another idea – stop paying blue-eyed blond foreigners high salaries. I guarantee that will get rid of all of them, in a matter of days. Trust me, there is nothing other than money that could make them come to Qatar in the first place. If they can make the same money back home, they wouldn’t choose Qatar over it in a million years. So stop blaming the foreigners.

    There, problem solved.

    • mimizwords said,

      I didn’t hire anyone, I didn’t pay anyone, I certainly have no right to even comment on policies .. so I will whine since thats all I can do for now.

      And yes you can decide what to pay yourself, because HR law does not apply on expats, you get hired with a ‘negotiable contract’ according to the organization you work in, so if you are needed and you don’t like they pay, you can always ask for more. This is the essence of why foreigners are being paid more, because have the right to ‘negotiable contracts’ while HR law are enforced on Qataris.

      I don’t control wealth distribution in this country, and no one does. In case you haven’t noticed, it is not a democratic country.

  39. nas said,

    Cat you don’t earn a high salary so your opinion is irrelevant, go back to tending the tables.

  40. adey said,

    Hello Mimiz
    Just found your blog today and may I congratulate you on a fine job.

    As has been said previously, we are all aware of the situation here where the colour of one’s passport dictates one’s salary level. Either keep that system or abandon it for a level playing field, but that is not beholden on the expat community here, it’s purely a Qatari decision; your anger should be directed firmly at your own government. But, the world over, governments have used the tactic of deflecting criticism by stoking up the fear of the ‘foreigner’ to get them off the hook.
    Now as a Anglo-Saxon expat myself (on what I might add, is not a huge salary) I bring to Qatar two particular professional skills and twenty years of experience; at this point in time I doubt that any Qatari has the combination of those skills and definitely not that amount of years of experience. If and when that time comes I may have to move over and make way for a Qatari, which is fair enough and I will thank Qatar and leave for pastures new. However, even if there were suitable Qatari candidates I doubt very much if they would find the re-numeration package significant enough for the huge volume of work entailed. I may be wrong.
    Which really brings me to the point of my post. The reason that some western expats are preferred over some Qatari appointees, as you eluded to yourself in your London/Doho post, is simply work ethic.and culture. I think generalisations do apply here although I concede that exception on both sides apply. With the overwhelming majority of citizens employed in public sector jobs over many years the concept of a strong work ethic has not been ‘bred’ into the general culture. I envisage that that will change over time with such clearly ambitious individuals such as yourself willing to take up the mantle, but it will be generational change.

    I suppose I will bombarded with retorts claiming I hold a colonialist, superior or Orientalist standpoint but this is meant as productive and constructive criticism.

    Again, I congratulate you on a thought provoking blog and thread, and I will be dropping in to read more.



    • mimizwords said,


      Thank you for the most sensible response I got from an expat so far. I definitely agree with what you said. Even if all Qataris are super qualified, we will still need foreign expertise because simply we are not enough. And of course the point of bringing foreigner at the first place is because they are supposed to have something that Qataris don’t and then, they are supposed to train Qataris to reach the level required. And reasonably, this category of foreigners should be paid more since they are more experienced and have the responsibility to train part of the national work force. However, what is not reasonable is for someone who has the same or less qualifications as a Qatari to be paid more. Also, it is not reasonable that many of them are not doing their job properly and not training the newly graduates as they are supposed to. My concern is with those people, not all expats.

      and as you said, my anger should be towards the government and not the expats. I completely understand that such situation is a result of failed government policies. And i wouldnt blame expats for taking advantage of the situation.

      But as a Qatari citizen, there is just little I can do regarding government policies. Actually, nothing! What I can do is write about it, and make people understand that no all Qataris are lazy, or rich, or don’t want to work.

      thank you for your contribution ..

  41. The Duh said,

    Hi Mimi,

    Just came across your blog, and I must applaud you as it’s been an absolute delight to read!

    However, I just thought I must add my 2 cents with regards to this post.

    Your London/Doha post on your experiences have shown you to be one who is capable of critical thought. You’ve made objective and unbiased comparisons between the 2 different societies. For that, I’ve perceived you as one who is willing to, if not eager for, change — be it on a personal or a societal level.

    Please do not take a defeatist’s approach and think that you’re not able to change the social-ills in your society, as in your response to Adey. You can, and you will. Changes that you can promote amongst your friends, changes that can and will be instilled in your children and their children.

    As for your rants about the expats, it’s something I’m not unfamiliar with myself. These are the same arguments Singaporeans have in Singapore too (where I’m from). And I’m sure, in every other societies around the world.

    However, I do not agree with your perception on how the wage and benefit disparities between the Qataris and expats are grossly distorted.

    1.(I’ve only just got here, so please correct me if I’m wrong) Is it true that Qataris receive free utilities? I never got that in Singapore, where I’m a citizen. Sure, it’s not the most expensive in the world, but it certainly isn’t cheap either. This is where Qataris actually enjoy good citizenship benefits, and many others don’t — not even in their motherlands.

    2. As in any other open markets, Singaporeans in Singapore are subject to open competition from their expat-contemporaries. On several occasions, with the locals earning less on basic wages than the latter.

    3. Benefits should not be taken as a package with one’s level of salary. True, the person with more renumerations from any job would be bringing home more $$… but it’s a benefit accorded to many expats in the International business arena. You certainly can’t expect any necessary foreign talent to be retained here if the “benefits” system were to be abolished.

    4. The reason why expats here are grossly “over-paid” in terms of benefits is due to certain governmental policies. For example, I’m paying about US$5000 for housing, of which US$2000 is out of my own pocket. As you’ve been to Singapore, I’m sure you’re aware of the vast difference in the environments between here and there. For one, it’s certainly cleaner in Singapore.
    With this same US$5000 in land-and-housing-scarce Singapore, I’d be living in an area that’s not unlike the Pearl or West Bay in Qatar. Only, I’m not. And let’s not forget that Singapore ranks high on the list of the standard of living for expats globally, especially true for housing rental prices (http://www.finfacts.ie/costofliving.htm).

    5. It’s a misnomer that expats are the best paid here… as you’ve pointed in your example from The Economist. Averages are not an accurate use for statistics on their own. Simply because of the differences in numbers within populations. If you were to compare Qatar and the States, I think it is only a fair assumption that the American population of managers surveyed is higher than that in Qatar’s. Taken into consideration also, with the inclusion of the one highest-paid surveyed individual who is the exception and not the norm, the average would have been even further grossly distorted.

    I feel your frustrations and could empathise with your rants… For these are the same rants my fellow countrymen have back in my own homeland.

    But the key difference between Qataris and Singaporeans is this. Totally different work ethics (as you yourself have mentioned). A typical workday in Singapore starts from 9 to 6. And this is still not inclusive of the unwritten, but much expected and required overtime. Majority actually work more than 9 hours a day, if not closer to 12.

    I’ve read quite a few Qatari posts whereby the younger generation are upset at being stereotyped as lazy and rude. It is indeed sad when the reputation of a population has been tainted by a few black sheep.

    But has it occurred to you that when a post such as yours is actually published, with arguments only stemmed from a local context when it should really be taken in consideration globally, you’re actually feeding into the misunderstood identity you’ve been keen to dispel?

    Like Adey, I know this would prompt a lot of undesirable and unconstructive criticisms.

    But I just thought I should just put in my 2 cents worth.

  42. mimizwords said,

    Dear The Duh (!)

    Thank you for your comment and I agree with what you said. I have been to Singapore, such a lovely country, very kind people and very clean place. My family and I had the best time ever and it was the best trip we ever had and would love to go there again.

    You country is fascinating, it is on every piece of literature on development and there are great projects running between Qatar and Singapore, we are taking Singaporean expertise in almost every field including education.

    Qatar and Singapore could be similar in size and other things. But they also differ in many other things. Most importantly culture which affect work ethics as you mentioned, but most importantly the government and wealth distribution.

    I do think its good to compare between countries but eventually each country is subject to its own characteristics and therefore require country specific policies. but this is not our topic here.

    Yes Qataris don’t pay for utilities, but they also don’t have a say in what goes on in the country. It is a welfares country where government strives its legitimacy for its non democratic heridatory system by providing for people. I would much rather pay taxes and have a say on government policies. I know in early stages of development, whether there is democracy or not, people usually don’t have a say on policies chosen. But the Arabian Gulf economic, political structure, as well as cultural heritage is different than other regions which is way the system has evolved to one where people don’t pay taxes.Also Qataris don’t see why they should pay taxes with such tremendous wealth from Gas revenues. The tax issue is actually very interesting and maybe we will discuss it on a different post.

    Being subject to competition is of course a good thing, but it is only good once the market, and national labour force are fully developed and can compete. Pre-mature liberalization and privatization could harm development at such early stage. The idea of the current situation is that such pressure and competition would force Qataris to develop more (like in free market competition) but they are not ready for this now, and even if they were willing to, they are not getting the proper support they should, which ends up in a frustrated youth.

    and my objection is not on why expats are being paid more, it is on why Qataris with same qualifications and experience are not being treated equally? and the fact that there are many expats who are getting paid a lot are not doing their job properly and not training the Qataris as they are supposed to.

    And finally, I didn’t understand your point about taking into consideration the global context. I am only concerned with Qatar, how would global issues be an issue here?

    Thank you

  43. intlxpatr said,

    I’ve heard the same comments from young people I know in Kuwait; they get the job, but the person over them won’t teach them the additional skills they need to do the job well and to rise. Most often the young person says – and I suspect rightly – that the expat is afraid that once the national learns the job well that his own – the expat’s – job will disappear.

    That may be partly true, especially if the expat has been living in Qatar/Kuwait for many many years, his children have been born there, and they don’t want to return ‘home’ wherever that may be. He has no incentive to mentor and develop a young person when it may render himself obsolete.

    Some companies are experimenting with a “nationality neutral” policy. Here’s the crunch – they give x many days for sick leave, x many for vacation, and then x many for “holidays.” Each nationality/culture can choose how to use those days – usually like 12 or so. So I could take Christmas and Thanksgiving, while someone else might choose Divali, and someone else might choose Eid al Kebir. It evens the playing field when every nationality gets exactly the same number of leave days.

    It is only fair, in any country, that nationals with the best qualifications be hired over expats. If that is not happening, it isn’t because of the blonde hair and blue eyes. Most merchants and businessmen look for the best value for their money – they invest in productivity.

    You have written a provocative entry; you have stimulated a fascinating discussion, most of it civil, in spite of the potential for verbal abuse. Brava, Mimi.

  44. KNIGHT-OF-THE-ARAB said,

    people i know i have no reason of writing this i am an 16 year old qatari student and i forced myself to read all of your comments, it all really affected me and i am really hurt by hearing this, that i might lose after 12 years of studying and even if i have a higher level of study still those two faced beasts will and are more likely to take a position i meant to apply for.My idea was instead of whining about it why don’t we share this with the world maybe we cant share out there in the world but www(world wide web) was not made for no reason and i am sure some of you my arab relatives do have some experience in computers you might have a idea of what i am talking about. HELP

  45. شيخ الشباب said,

    listen ill have to be diplomatic and conservitive on some points and some issues i have read in this post and i will pass it to my superiors for analysing and taking acctions.

    first of all i wana clear two points which i would like all of you to understand weather you are Qatari or expatriot.
    rule number 1: expatriots your role in Qatar is to develope the country and the pepole of Qatar as this has been required by the goverment in the contracts you have signed seconed you are paied a good a mount of conpinsation for your help in developing Qataries and the country its your dutity as workers with high positions to take care of the edducation of Qataries and performance progress. I do not want to come personaly or impersonaly to every department or organisation to tell you what you have to do. second Expatriots Qataries should be traineed and given specific tasks for them to grow in their country Qataries are not part of what you called head counting for Qatarization.

    Quote Qatarization has been put in to power for Qataries new generation to continue progressing and learning and developing our countries ecoonomy i Donot want Qataries to come and say they are just head counts or you see them with high values of land and securities to judge them as what you call so rich ness. Qataries I thank you all for posting this how ever please keep in mind that alot of you are good citizens whith high future and expectations for Qatars. Qataris are up to standerds and they have the right to work in any possition they chose how ever Qataries should understand that they are here to devlope not to go to malls and have funn or being lazy We the qatari Nationals have the right in Qatar to learn and develope.

    I have heard both sided of your stories but i will be frank. Anyone with qualifications and standereds of working invironment have the right to lead. But judgemnt must be fair for all parties. I have concluded that this post will be dealt with strictly and by all means will be taken acctions.

  46. KnowledgeIsPower said,

    mimi… many aspects of what you and others have written are true. However, there are other things in the real world you need to be exposed. This is not your limitation, but merely, a lack of experience. First and foremost, you need to understand the meaning of the word education. In the really old days, universities and degrees never existed, it was a world of apprenticeship and most likely, a family trade taught within in the family. This applied almost everywhere in the world. Then, as the human population increased and grass started looking greener elsewhere, people started looking for skills elsewhere. Again, apprenticeship was the way to go. When this started to reach a point where they couldn’t cater to the demand, centers of teaching known as schools, colleges, universities came into place to impart education of “skills” aimed at serving mankind to satisfy the demand. This has a direct impact on the employment scene where their biggest source of talent was from universities and there the grading system helped them weed out the wheat from the chaff. But, this is not the only way to go. For those whose circumstances in life do not allow them the luxury of conventional education systems, either due to poverty or lack of access to scholarship and sponsorship, do not mean they are less skilled. Nature has its way of adapting and even today many, through menial jobs work their way up and life and hands-on work experience makes up for what education would have provided. My dad could not complete his education, went to the UAE to work in a construction site, knew a wee bit of English and through his attitude and personality landed a dispatch clerks job in an oil company. He wasn’t sent for any training anywhere until the last years of his careers but ended his career in a high financial management position in an international oil company because although nobody taught him, he learnt it on his own, did diplomas and courses on his own while working and supporting a big impoverished extended family in India. I know of many others who have achieved and contributed a lot without formal education, because education does not mean going to university alone, education is meant to be gaining of knowledge and knowledge is everywhere, but only for those who seek it and especially for those who will seek in any manner and form and then use that to practical effect.

    Hence, if Qatar is to grow as a nation with its own citizens leading the way, they have to stop cribbing of blue-eyed blondes and lack of support from expat managers, etc and find your own way to gain the necessary knowledge and skills. I am yet to be sent on any training, yet, I have achieved four very credible certifications and recognition from the industry I work in. If you want to wash your feet, your can stand by the ocean and wait for high tide to wash it, or step our there and wash your own feet. Life is made from choices and not from quotas. Inequality is a way of life that keeps the food chain functional, if not, every creature would have been the same.

    So, my advice would be to accept the realities and fight it. Fight it through constructive measures, some of which may bring results and some which may not. Now, that you have released your frustrations through this blog, its time you went out of the war room round tables and onto the battlefield. Wish you luck.

    Btw, I am an expat soon to move to Qatar and when I was employed, after over 15 years in the business, my graduation credentials were just for visa formalities, the CEO was more interested in my real world experience and skills.

  47. Fatiha said,

    It was very interesting to read this article. i got shocked to know that Qataris are not paid well as i thought they do. Any way, i hold an American passport and it is taking me for ever to get a job here in Qatar and whenever i get a job offer , they pay me very low though I have master’s degree from US. Very low which means like 6000 QR or 8000. So really i think it is luck more than nationality. Do not take me wrong as i have a degree and 15 years experience and still looking for more than six months.

  48. emeka ogbu said,

    seriously I have interest in coming to Qatar for medical practice in future. However, I think the view given by the Qatari authorities to the rest of the world is wrong. I wonder why a country as rich in Oil like Qatar should pay heavy fees to expatriates when they can afford to train as much Qatari’s as they want in medicine. I’m always of the view that technology should be developed and not transferred.
    Besides why aren’t Qatari’s given opportunities like their counterparts? The same thing happens in my country where preference is given to a Chinese or Indian or Arabian (not even blondes!) ahead of the black people of the country. Atleast in your country, preference is given to qualified blondes! In mine, any Indian or Chinese with little or no education is offered a pay that is far what their countries could offer them.
    It’s a sorry situation in every developing country. It’s just a sign of inferiority complex on the part of the leaders. Leaders of developing countries ought to be ashamed of themselves. It should be a level playing ground for all.

  49. Mona said,

    الاغرب هو تفضيل الرجل الأبيض حتى لو شهادته من كومينتي كولج على العربي خريج هارفرد التعين بالجواز ولا علاقة له الشهادات او الخبرة
    وحينما يكون القطري في وظيفة ادارية يجب ان يكون لديه وسواس خناس مصري او أردني او فلسطيني يزين له ظلم العباد ويتلاعب في الأرزاق

  50. masood salim said,

    Hi .. its indeed sad..

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